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Tuesday, May 09, 2006

Odd Griping

Well, I've been finding the 52 based fake-newsletter-whatever-the-hell-it-is thing to be a blast. I keep going back to poke at interesting things.

One thing that I find particularly interesting is this. Nifty isn't it? That's pictures of six major players...Black Adam, Booster Gold, Ralph Dibny, Renee Montoya, the Question and Steel. And three more question marks.

And now I really want to know who the question marks are! Are they heroes? Are they villains? Come on! I wanna know! :-)

There is one other notable aspect. When you click on each picture, it gives stats for them. I love stats. Comparing and contrasting, figuring out which ones make sense with what I see in the comics, which don't. I just find them entertaining.

But something befuddles me.

See, for Black Adam, he's listed as 6 feet tall even, and 198 pounds. Okay. I always thought in the JSA shots, he towered over most of the male JSA members and was certainly more than an inch taller than Sand (whose given stats are 5'11 and 162, according to the SF&O), for example. But that's okay with me, maybe he's hovering. I do think though that he shouldn't be smaller than Superman (6'3,225) or Batman (6'2, 210).

Part of it is that I tend to prefer my villains to be bigger than my heroes. Or at least antagonists, even if Adam's theoretically on the side of right. There's something intrinsically more satisfying about watching a smaller hero fight a bigger threat than vice versa. The other part is simply that a part of Black Adam's presence and majesty stems from his size. It seems weird that he's not bigger stat wise.

The big kicker though is that Booster Gold is 6'3 and 215 pounds according to that...wait *what*?! *Booster Gold* is bigger than *Black Adam*?! Okay, I can accept the whole future breeding, genetic selection thing making Booster taller than most men of our day. But he's bigger than *Black Adam*!

That just doesn't seem right to me!


  • At May 09, 2006 7:29 AM, Blogger Scipio said…

    Black Adam is from 5000 years ago; people were much shorter then.

    It's a welcome bit of realism. Haven't you ever noticed Adam never touches the ground, but floats above it? Makes him seem much bigger

    And Booster Gold is huge; always has been. He was a star football player, something many people forget.

  • At May 09, 2006 7:38 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    That's true. And when we see him not-Shazamed, he *is* much smaller. He gets bigger when he's infused with the Power, after all. I guess I just think he should be *much* bigger. :-)

    But I *do* like the hovering thing. :-)

  • At May 09, 2006 8:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I don't like The Question being 6'2". Maybe it's because I've always identified him with the rather short Rorschach from Watchmen, but I always figured he was 5'9" at most.

  • At May 09, 2006 11:53 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    anon: I have to admit, I haven't read Watchmen yet. I've heard it's really good. But thus the Rorschah thing isn't an issue for me. :-)

    simon: I liked IC7 in general. But yeah the Sand appearances as well as the great Guy and Hal/Green Lantern Corps moments were the highlight for me.

  • At May 09, 2006 1:03 PM, Blogger Hate Filled Poster said…

    Cool, looks like I'm bigger than Black Adam in more ways than one.

  • At May 09, 2006 2:28 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Shane: :-)

    Simon: Hmm, yeah, I can see it. I've got a bit of a problem with Mr. Johns's pacing really. I think the first five issues or so could have probably been told in three or four issues with some better planning. This would then have allowed for another issue for the Metropolis battle.

    I loved the Space stuff, but I can definitely understand seeing the other stuff as lacking. :-) If I weren't such a Lantern/Guy and Hal fan, I'd have probably been more annoyed. :-)

  • At May 09, 2006 4:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Remember also that Booster was a football player in his far-flung futre, so 6'3" and 215 pounds is kinda modest.

    But, yeah, I figured Black Adam to be at LEAST that tall. Like, Played By The Rock tall.

  • At May 09, 2006 4:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    That's why Black Adam is short? My god, that actually makes sense... that can't be the legit explanation.

    Booster would be an average-sized quarterback in today's NFL. In the NFL of the far future... he's gotta be a kicker. Maybe an undersized running back. I can't believe that he'd be a star at those positions, so he should probably be listed even bigger than he is now - 7'2" and 300lbs, maybe. Seriously, today's average NFL player is already heavier than Booster, and players in the line are averaging around three bills.

    It's kind of funny to realize that at 6'1", I'm taller than just about every female superhero in the DCU and a fair number of the males as well. They're superheros. They're supposed to be bigger than life...

  • At May 09, 2006 6:42 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Athelind: Yeah, no problem with Booster's stats. I just think Black Adam in that form should be like 7 feet tall at least. But I'm silly.

    Toby: He *is* much smaller when not in that form.

    Heh, he is tiny in that since. I wouldn't mind him bigger. I just think Adam should be yet bigger. :-)

    Booster's smaller than Superman though.

  • At May 09, 2006 7:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It would be interesting if they actually enforced a uniform height guide across the DCU. Or Marvel, for that matter - remember when Wolverine was short?

    According to Google, I am shorter than:
    Bats and Captain Marvel - 6'2"
    Superman and Booster - 6'3"
    The Martian Manhunter - 6'7"(!)
    Big Barda - 7'

    I am as tall as Aquaman, John Stewart, and Hawkman.

    I am taller than:
    Wally and Hal - 6'
    WW and Kyle - 5'11"
    Dick Grayson - 5'10"

    Power Girl doesn't seem to have a listed height, unfortunately. She's become one of my favorite superheroes lately, partly because of her general awesomeness and partly because of her resemblance to the girl that's currently complicating my life. Judging from the JSA/Rockwell cover, I'd say she's probably around 5'10".

  • At May 09, 2006 9:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Also, can you tell that I'm procrastinating WILDLY? I don't have to plan four lessons for tomorrow, nooo...

  • At May 09, 2006 9:15 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    toby: Hugh Jackman killed that. :-)

    I'm taller than Tim Drake at least. :-)

    And it doesn't show really. :-)

  • At May 09, 2006 10:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You know what else is weird? Your average NBA player would tower over ninety percent of the Justice League. For example, Kobe Bryant is three inches taller than Superman and only fifteen pounds lighter.

    Haha, I just imagined Barda and Shaq battling it out in the paint... I do not think that would end well.

    "Let me show you what charging is in the Firepits of Apokolips, human!"


    Would caving in your opponent's chest be a double technical? And does the fact that I'm trying to puzzle out what positions the JLA would play in pickup hoops make me some kind of geek-mutant, or just that much more geeky?

  • At May 11, 2006 5:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I never thought I'd hear six feet height described as "short." It seems fine to me, although I think the stats for both Superman and Batman are inflated and ridiculous. I can't picture a 6'3, 225 pound Clark Kent being meek and mild-mannered at all. It makes zero sense.

  • At May 11, 2006 6:18 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    toby: THAT would be worth seeing

    anon: I see what you're saying, but actually, when I think about it most bigger people I know are mild. I think it comes of growing up and being bigger than most of your friends. Boys roughhouse, but the big kids can really hurt the little ones.

    Now the little ones tend to be psychos. :-P

    For a good vaguely real world example, watch Homicide. Kyle Secor, the actor who plays Tim Bayliss, is 6'4" however he plays the relatively calm, mild rookie of the department. He does a lot of slouching but it does work. I imagine Clark rather like that.

  • At May 11, 2006 10:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Conan O'Brien is also extremely tall - 6'4" (taller than Supes!) - but he doesn't come across as towering because of how he carries himself. Body language matters a lot when it comes to presence.

    I can see Clark just slumping, hunching his shoulders a bit, angling his gaze down, speaking with a soft voice and shuffling his feet as he walks. Supes would stand with his shoulders square and his back straight, looking straight ahead, speaking confidently and striding confidently across the earth.

    Bayliss was 6'4"? Really? Wow. I just googled Andre Braugher - he's 6'0". There's an example of presence trumping height if I ever saw one.

    And now for another tangent... how does Bruce Wayne carry himself?

    All swagger and presence, taking up lots of space when he's working the room? Or lazy, diffident smug dude who takes his sweet old time ambling around like he owns the place?

    And is Batman a tight, crackling ball of energy or a looming wall of intensity and control?

    People never pay enough attention to body language...

  • At May 11, 2006 11:40 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I think Bruce Wayne's probably easy-going/smug. Not a lot of brains or cares in the world.

    As for Batman: wall, definitely wall. In contrast, Tim Drake has the compressed, crackling energy thing going on. :-)


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