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Monday, February 09, 2009

Another Post Secret Invasion Question

Okay, as I said in my last post, I'm really behind on any non-Cap Marvel. So I have one...well, technically two questions.

Actually, it might be three. But it's all kind of subheadingy of one question. (I made up a word!)

1a) Does the general Marvel Universe (meaning the idiot public) believe that Osborn's team are good guys?
1b) Are Wolverine Jr. and Spidey-sized Venom ACTUALLY referred to as "Dark Wolverine" and "Dark Spider-Man"?
1c) Even granted, that for my sanity, I'm assuming that the answer to 1b is "No" I still have to ask: how stupid are the general people of the Marvel Universe?

You know, I'd never say this in real life, but I'm kind of cheering for Doctor Doom now. These people are possibly too stupid to run themselves.


Oh and on a tangential note: this news by way of Mike Sterling is both horrifying and mildly apropos I think. I mean, that IS the guy who managed to utterly obliterate the X-Men movie awesomeness in one fell swoop.

In a weird sort of way it's like the Wolverine movie to me. In the same way that the combination of my three least favorite/most hated Marvel Characters being perfectly cast makes the Wolverine movie something I will never want to watch but can still appreciate the idea for, this combination of two similarly horrific concepts may well synthesize to something genius.

But probably not. It might be intensely amusing though.


  • At February 09, 2009 7:43 AM, Blogger Jeff said…

    1a. Yes, Osborne is the 'Hero' of Secret Invasion. He manipulated events to make sure he got the photogenic kill shot on the Skrull Queen.
    1b. We as reader may do so, but the general public thinks they are the real Wolverine and Spider-man.
    1c. Pretty stupid.

    All hail Doom.

  • At February 09, 2009 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    1a. like Jeff said, yes. even better, Barack Obama has been established at the in-continuity POTUS of the Marvel U. although, timeline-wise, it appears that G.W.B. is the one who gave Osborn his new job.

    1b. again, Jeff has hit it on the nose. i do wonder, however, if the whole public really believes that they are the originals; Osborn introduced them as the "all-new" Avengers - and Daken is like a foot and a half taller than Logan, so somebody has to have noticed.

    1c. no dumber than the general people of the real universe, as far as i can tell.

  • At February 09, 2009 10:23 AM, Blogger SallyP said…

    As far as I can tell, the general populace of the Marvel Universe, are indeed mind-boggling stupid sheep, who will believe any idiotic piece of crap that gets into the news. On top of that, most of them are bigoted against mutants, and have a fondness for carrying torches in broad daylight.

    They are dumb enough to continue working and living in New York City, even though it gets levelled to the ground with dull regularity. They seem to revile their super heroes, but when Galactus shows up, they all go crying back for help. All visions of their future are bleak indeed.

    This is why I want to live in the DC Universe. There may be alien invasions on a weekly basis, but usually things are put to rights...more or less. DC heroes are actually...heroic.

  • At February 09, 2009 10:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The general populace of the Marvel Universe are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Brian Michael Bendis thinks his readership is.

    Of course, people buy his books, so he may be right.

    At least when Kurt Busiek and Baron Zemo pulled this trick, it was plausible. And readable. And, ultimately, had an optimistic message of redemption.

    I'll stop ranting now.

    -- Jack of Spades

  • At February 09, 2009 10:58 AM, Blogger Diamondrock said…

    Question for Jeff: doesn't the general public hate Wolverine (for being a mutant) and Spider-Man (for being Spider-Man)? Wouldn't that make them not so popular no matter what there names are?

    And didn't Osborne once kill a cop on national television or something?

  • At February 09, 2009 11:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    That report you linked to called Youngblood a "graphic novel". Are people completely incapable of saying "comic book" now?


  • At February 09, 2009 11:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Is it bad if I think that any sane person living in the Marvel universe should move to Latveria? Sure, it gets attacked a lot and their are always those who try to "liberate" the citizens, but it must be saner than the rest of the DC universe.

    And there has to be a reason why the people of Latveria are so loyal to Doom. Huh, maybe it's free, universal health care and schooling (including under grad, grad, and post grad). Of course, if Latveria offered that last bit, I'd move there in an instant, fictionality be damned. Ok, I'm going to stop thinking aobut this line of thought before I start crying over the amount of money I owe for college loans.

  • At February 09, 2009 12:41 PM, Blogger Duskdog said…

    I'd prefer to throw my villainous lot in with Zemo. His villains-posing-as-heroes were so much more likeable and the story was less ridiculous.

    I'll just blame the "New" Avengers for this. You put a character like Wolverine on a roster with the name "Avengers", then you start the Marvel Universe populace on a slippery slope where eventually they can believe that a bunch of clowns like Osborne's group are worthy of the title, too.

    ...Then again, as has been pointed out, the citizens of the MU are apparently born that stupid.

  • At February 09, 2009 3:17 PM, Blogger Evan Waters said…

    I don't think Ratner was the problem with X3. Its major problems were scriptwise, and though Ratner didn't fix those, I'm not sure he could have if he wanted to- Fox was dead set on the thing coming out in May of 2006 and they went with a half formed idea.

  • At February 09, 2009 4:01 PM, Blogger LurkerWithout said…

    And didn't Osborne once kill a cop on national television or something?

    He blew up a squad of cops sent to arrest him for the murder of a reporter. This was in the Bendis written Pulse. So yeah, he's a cop-killer but no one ever dwells on that. Hell the press SHOUTED DOWN Ben Urich for trying to bring it up at a press conference...

    A lot of Marvel writers really do think people are dumb. Like sackful of rocks dumb...

  • At February 09, 2009 7:28 PM, Blogger notintheface said…

    1b. No, but they'll refer to themselves as "Dark Wolverine" and "Dark Spider-Man", much the same way Bill & Ted's evil doppelgangers in "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey" kept calling themselves "Evil Bill" and "Evil Ted", even when they were pretending to be the real Bill & Ted.

    Does this mean the real Peter and Logan will refer to them as "our Dark Us'es"?

  • At February 09, 2009 10:03 PM, Blogger Third World Diplomat said…

    "I still have to ask: how stupid are the general people of the Marvel Universe?"

    If Bizarro lived in the Marvel Universe, he would be as smart as Ray Palmer and Reed Richards combined.

    "Me am no Bizarro. Me am no discover Positive Zone."

  • At February 10, 2009 6:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    At NYCC Jim McCann pointed out that Osborn's Avengers are not seen by the public as the "originals" but government-approved versions. Why that's not explicitly spelled out in the comic, I dunno.

  • At February 14, 2009 7:30 PM, Blogger Ace said…

    "1b) Are Wolverine Jr. and Spidey-sized Venom ACTUALLY referred to as "Dark Wolverine" and "Dark Spider-Man"?"
    When the comic titled "Wolverine" changes to "Dark Wolverine" in a few issues, yes.
    Yes, Wolverine has been so overexposed, his son is taking over the first of his ongoing comics... And why not? He's been in most of Wolverine Origins already...


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