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Thursday, March 20, 2008

So This Nemesis Thing:

I've been following all the reactions re: Tom Tresser and Diana with interest. Lots of discussion on both sides. I admit, me, I'm tentatively in support of the couple. Similarly to Ragnell, I actually like Nemesis a lot. I'm not sure I buy him as the love-interest-forever sort, and I'm certainly not marrying them off in my mind or anything, but as dating goes, she could do worse.

I remember thinking Nemesis was neat back in Heinburg's run. I refuse to let Picoult ruin him for me damnit.

Anyway, I have to say, I'm much happier seeing Diana moon after a guy like Nemesis than a guy like Batman (sorry to all Bruce/Diana 'shippers out there). Don't get me wrong, Batman is awesome. Even I, who am not that much of a fan, can admit that by sheer objective standards, the man is awesome. He makes dressing as a Bat look cool.

But seriously? Diana's no simpering socialite to be dazzled by Bruce Wayne's charm. Or young inexperienced hero to be amazed by Batman's general awesomeness. She knows the man. She knows that just as objectively as the man is awesome, he's also an utter dick.

Now, don't get me wrong, this isn't an impediment toward liking a character. Heavens know, I heart the jackasses. But honestly, knowing him as well as she does, I'm fairly certain that she would know full well how much he would NOT be a good boyfriend. Nice to look at, sure, but she can look at him now.

Tom's cute and funny, and honestly much more personable. You're a lot more likely to have a fun casual evening with him than with Batman I think. (Barring the whole beating up villains thing, but one would think a break would be nice.)

But that's pretty much a personal taste thing, I acknowledge. Naturally I assume Diana's taste is like mine. But then I'm wont to do that in general. It's a character flaw. :-)

Though one complaint from the always interesting Neither Doormat Nor Prostitute does make me boggle just a little:

She'll learn how to go bowling for the man? Are you fucking kidding me? How bought instead he learn how to be competent and worthy of her? What's next, is she going to find some bratty kid and decide to spend her life playing Barbies with the kid while she cooks dinner and anxiously waits for Tommy-poo to get home? Will Black Canary make guest appearances and complain because her Olliekins sent her Barbies off with Sin and now she doesn't have any way to fill her days but eating bon bons and looking for Connor's wandering body?

Okay, I get not liking Nemesis and even not liking Diana's portrayal in this story arc. But, I don't quite understand what's wrong with getting interested in something that your crush likes? Isn't that fairly natural?

Admittedly, it doesn't always work. I know I took art classes for three years of high school because I crushed on the teacher (who, to be fair, was very very attractive), and it came to nought, because in truth, I'm one of those people who really, it doesn't matter how much you teach me, I'm still going to SUCK at art.

On the other hand, I started playing video games because my boyfriend liked them and I still like them now, long past that relationship's fizzling.

It's not a big deal to me, honestly. Heck, I got into superhero comics on a friend's recommendation. I don't regret it. It's fun.

I'd imagine that after learning to bowl for Tom, whether she ultimately enjoys it or not (I suspect she will actually, for exactly the same reason I hate the game: it requires a certain level of skill, accuracy and balance), she'll teach him hobbies that she enjoys. More fun is had for all!

Furthermore, it's bowling, not drugs or swinging or religion or any of those other things that you're possibly going to regret later. Say she does have a miserable time. It's tedious, annoying, whatever. She's too good at it. No challenge. The shoes stink. The food's terrible. Everyone's drunk. (Maybe that's just MY bowling adventures, heh.) Worst thing that happens, she's out an evening. Yeesh. :-)


  • At March 20, 2008 5:15 AM, Blogger Ragnell said…

    It's funny, I started reading HP Lovecraft because a boy I liked recommended his stuff. The interest I got in horror fiction has long outlasted that relationship.

  • At March 20, 2008 6:05 AM, Blogger LurkerWithout said…

    Hey, I don't ship regular DC Bruce/Diana. I ship animated DC Bruce/Diana...

    As for Nemesis, after reading early Suicide Squad all I can wonder, is when did he stop crushing on Nightshade?

  • At March 20, 2008 6:06 AM, Blogger Scott (The Mad Thinker) Anderson said…

    I've found that I can enjoy doing something with Casey because I enjoy his company even if what we're doing isn't for me. I get not being a doormat, but that post you quoted from made me think that the poster might not be the kind of person who would even be a good friend, let alone a partner.

  • At March 20, 2008 6:07 AM, Blogger Scott (The Mad Thinker) Anderson said…

    Oh, and you are right about Bruce. Who would want to get caught up in that drama? Blech.

  • At March 20, 2008 6:10 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I kind of shy away from making conclusions about whether someone is a good friend based on a discussion like this. I think it's easy to get caught up in the hyperbole of blogging and make statements a bit more sweeping than we intend.

    I definitely agree that Bruce has waaay too much drama though. Egads. :-)

  • At March 20, 2008 9:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well, I'm one of the people who doesn't really get why she'd be into Tresser, but I really, really don't get why going bowling with someone you're dating would turn you into a patriarchy-whipped fembot.

    And I gotta admit, I like the idea of Wonder Woman taking the JLA on bowling outings.

  • At March 20, 2008 10:04 AM, Blogger SallyP said…

    Oh, Tom's not so bad. My feelings about him remain fairly neutral, but I'm delighted to see Diana get SOME sort of love life.

    And bowling? Considering some of things that Guy thought were appropriate dates for Ice, Diana should be LUCKY it's just bowling!

    I DO think that Batman would make a pretty horrible boyfriend. He's not TOO good as a teammate for that matter. Besides, isn't he supposed to be lusting after Zatanna at the moment?

  • At March 20, 2008 10:28 AM, Blogger Rob S. said…

    Don't kid yourself. Bowling is a cruel mistress.

  • At March 20, 2008 10:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I thought it was reasonably clear the stuff about bowling was said in a playful, not-entirely-serious tone.

    And anyhow, what's wrong with bowling, exactly? Is that so much different from the sorts of things Amazons probably do on dates on Paradise Island?

    Re: Bruce and Diana, for reasons I can't really articulate, see Animated Bruce and Diana as the perfect couple, but the comic book versions as completely wrong for each other.

    I think what I like about them in the animated version is that Wonder Woman's the only person (besides Superman, but that's part of this alpha-male conflict thing) who can see through Batman's act.

    She respects him, but is not intimidated by him at all. And paradoxically, this means she's one of the only people Bruce might feel safe letting his guard down for.

    I'm not sure exactly how and why, but I can't see that same dynamic in the comic book versions of the characters.

  • At March 20, 2008 10:40 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I admit, even I can see the animated Bruce/Diana potential and I'm not much of an animated DCU fan at all.

    I think, for me, it might be as simple as animated Bruce being a twinge more stable. Had a couple fewer traumatizing events or something. :-)

  • At March 20, 2008 8:58 PM, Blogger Unknown said…

    I feel the need to defend Bruce since I feel that someone should. Not everyone writes Bruce/Batman like an asshole, and depending on which books you read they can seem like completely different characters.
    When Brubaker was writing Catwoman, Bruce was tender, funny and interesting. When he was Batman, he was expedient and concerned about his friends. This wasn't so many years ago. The Batman that was written in War Games in his own book (and related titles) is very different from the Batman that appeared at the same time in Catwoman.
    The problem has become that I feel like, when reading a Batman book these days, all the writers are trying to out-Frank-Miller Frank Miller. In order to be badass and a loner, it has to be because he's a complete dickhead. In order to work alone despite having trained to many Robins and Batgirls, it has to be because he's a complete asshole. For some reason, it can't ever be because he just works better alone.
    In conclusion...I don't think Bruce would be a bad boyfriend, I’ve seen him be a good one. But then my understanding and enjoyment of Batman ended about four years ago when Asshole became the new Black.

  • At March 20, 2008 9:46 PM, Blogger Dane said…

    It's okay, Kalinara. I suck at art too.

  • At March 20, 2008 10:00 PM, Blogger Amy Reads said…

    Hi Kalinara,
    Lurkerwithout said, Hey, I don't ship regular DC Bruce/Diana. I ship animated DC Bruce/Diana...

    And How.

  • At March 21, 2008 5:25 AM, Blogger Ami Angelwings said…

    I wanted bruce/diana in the DCAU :(

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