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Monday, March 15, 2010

I Wish I Liked Him

Is there any comic book character that you really really wish you liked? I mean, one where you really like the concept and origin and all that, but the execution just doesn't work for you?

I think for me, it's Martian Manhunter. I love the idea of Martian Manhunter. I love how he's a walking reference to a bunch of old school (and new school) depictions of Mars. I love his powers (shapeshifting is cool!) and his backstory. And I think fire's a perfectly reasonable phobia and one that is a good way to keep the character from being overpowered.

But somehow, I've never really liked the character himself. Something about his personality as depicted annoys me. I think he's very useful in a group setting like JLA, and is a good foil for characters I like better, but I have absolutely no interest in his solo affairs. I'll be happy to see him resurrected, naturally (I'm very pro-resurrection. We have enough perma-death in the real world and the advantage, IMO, to a multi-decade franchise is being able to bring toys back to the sandbox and not be so limited by endings.) and maybe I'll warm to him then.

I really do like the IDEA of him. I just wish I liked him.

37 Comments:

  • At March 16, 2010 7:50 AM, OpenID bookslide said…

    The only thing I've really known him from is the cartoon, and even there...yeah, it's just really, really hard to connect with him.

    I've always felt that I should like every one of the old Avengers more than I do.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 10:16 AM, Blogger Nick Marino said…

    yeah, Cyclops

     
  • At March 16, 2010 11:07 AM, Blogger Josh said…

    I first read the Martian Manhunter in the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League, where he was this calmly sardonic sort of warrior-poet stuck in the role of straight man to Blue Beetle and Booster Gold. Every now and then, he'd get to unleash the badass within.

    I'll always love that version, but it's rare that anyone else writes him that way.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 12:49 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Nick: Tsk. I mock your lack of taste.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 1:14 PM, Blogger James Ashelford said…

    Modern Jason Todd. I love the idea of Batman's dead angst-fodder sidekick coming back having (not unnaturally) lost faith in the path that good him iron-barred to death. Just doesn't work for me in execution, sadly.

    Especially that Teen Titans issue where he pulled on his old Robin costume and beat Tim Drake up whilst whining about not being well-remembered.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 1:39 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    James: I'm kind of in the same boat with you on Jason Todd, except I wouldn't have necessarily minded that Teen Titans issue if I thought the character was portrayed consistently throughout.

    It's funny because most versions of Jason aren't that unlikely given his history. It's not like he pulled a Bucky Barnes and came back as a cryogenically frozen Soviet assassin, for example. But Bucky's transformation as a character worked, primarily I think, because the writers all seem to be on the same page with him.

    Maybe it would have worked best in DC, if there had been a longer period of time where Winick was the only person writing him, then when he DID get used in other books, the various writers would have more to work with.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 1:44 PM, Blogger Rachel said…

    Ditto, Josh. I also liked that version's friendship with Maxwell Lord; I've always found it interesting (and disappointing) that J'onn was more or less completely absent when it was time for characters to react to Max's villain reveal, even though he was probably the closest to him of anyone (and, in fact, was the one who invited / allowed him to maintain his connection with the League past the first JLI arc). They could have gotten some good story mileage out of that, I think. (Of course, that would have required their being interested in telling a story with Max as the villain in the first place, instead of a story including a placeholder villain who just happened to be Max, so...)

     
  • At March 16, 2010 3:20 PM, Blogger Sea-of-Green said…

    The Fantastic Four. A really fun idea, but I've never been able to STAND ANY of them.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 4:37 PM, Blogger SallyP said…

    Oddly enough, I feel this way about Hawkman. I like the IDEA of it, but for the most part, I can't stand him.

    I like J'onn though. Especially when he was the head babysitter for the Justice League International.

     
  • At March 16, 2010 10:22 PM, Blogger notintheface said…

    Aw, c'mon, how can you not like someone who can do THIS?

    http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/02/hdmartianmanhunter.jpg

     
  • At March 17, 2010 12:03 AM, Blogger Seangreyson said…

    A comic character I don't like. Grant Morrison. I know everyone worships the guy, but I've only rarely liked his stuff. Hated most of his X-men run (though individual stories were good, which kept me buying them), and his stuff since then has just gotten worse for me.

    Oh, you meant a character in the comics...hmm then I'd have to say Wolverine. It's not that I hate him precisely, but I just don't like him that much either. He's become a caricature of himself. In the 70's and early 80's, he was the X-men's tough guy that provided a challenge to someone like Cyclops leading the team, while also bringing a slightly harder edge to events.

    Sometime by the early 90's he had become too overexposed, and practically invincible. Until it hit the point a couple years ago when he regenerated from being reduced to a skeleton (Civil War, fight against Nitro) in a few seconds, and took on the entire Marvel Universe and could have won (Enemy of the State). Yeah his stories have been very good at times, but there's just never really a threat he can't kill (and these days he always starts killing people).

     
  • At March 17, 2010 12:05 AM, Blogger K. D. Bryan said…

    Green Arrow.

    See, I like Robin Hood. I love smart-asses. I love people who like hot food. And I even like angry leftists, to a degree. But somehow, I just can't stand Ollie Queen. He annoys the everlovin' shit out of me.

    I blame getting introduced to Black Canary through Simone's Birds of Prey and not really knowing or caring about her relationship with Oliver before she was suddenly shanghaied off to Green Arrow/Black Canary.

     
  • At March 17, 2010 12:52 AM, Blogger Empath said…

    I like the Martian. I especially like his portrayal in the Crisis of Two Earths movie.

    But I roll my eyes when I think about Cyclops and Hal Jordon, Reed Richards, Tony Stark(Have I forgotten anyone?) Yeah yeah I get it they're fearless, they're leaders, and willing to self-sacrifice for the greater good. But I really, really, can't stand them.
    (Sigh)

     
  • At March 17, 2010 2:56 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Empath: I don't think I've ever seen those four characters grouped together before.

    Honestly, aside from all being white men, it's hard to imagine four guys so absolutely different in terms of age, personality, role in group, goals, type of leadership (in the two that are leaders) and what not.

    And really? Hal Jordan, self-sacrificing?

    Tony Stark, fearless?

    If you say so, man. :-)

     
  • At March 17, 2010 8:43 AM, Blogger Empath said…

    @Kalinara It's more of a they're all men thing for me. Sorry if my bias is showing. Tony Stark is willing to wipe his brain to save the secrets of the MU superheroes from Norman Osborn.But he remembers to sleep with both Pepper and Maria Hill in the same run sigh.
    Geoff John's Hal Jordan is willing to be possessed by Parallax to defeat the Black Lantern Spectre which was kicking their buts in battle. That might count as self-sacrificing. Reed's a brilliant mind and I respect that but can't forgive his involvement in sending Hulk away and cloning Thor or the Civil War. Cyclops...sigh,let's just say I prefer Wolverine.
    Not trying to be rational, I guess everybody has their preferences. I like the idea of these men, (notice how Marvel is full of great brilliant men but their brilliant women aren't as brilliant?) But I really don't like them.

     
  • At March 17, 2010 2:46 PM, Blogger Ragnell said…

    Empath -- But that's what heroes do. All heroic characters get a self-sacrifice for the greater good storyline eventually. The same thing ties Wonder Woman (willing to be branded a killer to save Superman's good name), Quicksilver (willing to hand the world over to the father he's been fighting all his life to save his sister), Captain America (turning himself in to put Registration on trial?)...etc... It is actually quite like saying "They all have a tragic origin" or "They would all break the law to save lives", it's a common hero trait.

    I think that's just four characters with very little in common you don't like.

    They are quite an interesting study in the diversity of masculine stereotypes, though.

     
  • At March 17, 2010 6:32 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I still think Cyclops is actually a woman. :-P

     
  • At March 17, 2010 6:34 PM, Blogger Empath said…

    @Ragnell
    "I think that's just four characters with very little in common you don't like."

    Totally true.Like the idea of them,individually, but not them individually.

    "They are quite an interesting study in the diversity of masculine stereotypes, though."

    Totally true again. I think this is probably at the core of my beef with these characters. They are all different manifestations of masculine power and dominance. I might blog about it.

     
  • At March 17, 2010 8:52 PM, Blogger Your Obedient Serpent said…

    Seangreyson: you were right the first time. Since Morrison wrote himself into his run on Animal Man, he's fair game for "comic characters".

    As for me ... I hate to say it, but Spider-Man. He's a classic character, an archetype; I imprinted on those old Bakshi cartoons back when they first aired. Conceptually, I love the idea of the Insecure Geek Granted Great Power and Great Responsibility. I find him charming, witty, charismatic, and delightfully self-deprecating -- but he's rarely if ever clicked for me. I've never followed his books regularly.

    I like the idea of Spider-Man, but not enough to read about him.

    Really, thinking about it, the bulk of the Marvel Universe falls into the "Gosh, I wish I liked them more" category for me. Like Bookslide, I don't like the roster of the Avengers nearly as much as I should, and -- well, pretty much everyone gets to be an Avenger eventually.

    The exceptions are a shorter list than those who qualify: Doctor Strange. The Hulk. The Fantastic Four. The X-Men, especially Nightcrawler and Hank McCoy. Luke Cage. I love all of them ,and some of them can Do No Wrong in my book.

     
  • At March 19, 2010 5:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    how about I used to like him for a millisecond; Wolverine was cool when Claremont and Byrne decided to make him Samurai Wolvie. Now I think he is just a cold blooded killer being called a hero.

    As for the Martian. He is a Superman clone; but he (along the rest of the JLI members) deserves his own Earth and universe to write funny JLI stories

    - Seafire

     
  • At March 19, 2010 7:34 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Why not just write more stories during that time period? It's easily possible. Or regroup (some of) them now?

    If the characters need a separate universe to be distinct, I think that's a problem with the character.

    And besides, most of those characters' most interesting stuff is in the shared universe, like Fire in Checkmate, Ted in Birds of Prey, Booster Gold in 52/his current series, and Guy Gardner in Green Lantern. It'd be a shame to shunt them off to some splinter universe as though saying that they can't be interesting in the main one.

     
  • At March 20, 2010 1:07 AM, Blogger Ununnilium said…

    But you don't have to shunt. You can have the New Earth versions, and a copy of them that split off back sometime before Identity Crisis.

    (This is what they are doing with Captain Marvel, for similar reasons. It is a Good Idea.)

     
  • At March 20, 2010 2:53 AM, Blogger Diabolu Frank said…

    I like Martian Manhunter a lot, but never Cyclops, except as a spoiler.

    Adam Strange: I like his costume, and he's always seemed fun on a conceptual level, but I've never enjoyed him in my reading to date.

    Black Canary: Too many years as Ollie Queen's arm candy/guilt trip, with too modest a power set, and not enough personality. She's a better martial artists than who-- Nightwing? Big whoop.

    Black Lightning: Along with the Falcon, the two most prominent African-American super-heroes I don't give a damn about. Electrical powers, but a wet blanket personality. Out of 70s DC alone I'll take Bronze Tiger and Vixen in a heartbeat.

    Hawkman: Another cat I dug as an ignorant kid, who has tormented me with one lousy revamp after another for twenty years.

    There are a great many more, but that's a start.

     
  • At March 20, 2010 4:04 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Ununnilium: But why, when you can set stories in that time period as easily?

    The Marvels are self-contained, but JLI by its definition is a crossover type thing. It seems silly to try to shunt off a whole other universe when you can just write in the past.

    (Of course, you could debate that Formerly known as/I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League did it. Considering how OOC and over the top it was. :-P)

     
  • At March 20, 2010 9:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well these superheroes are semi clones of each other at some level at least. I read superhero comics b/c they are super-powered soap operas, action & drama all in one place ... And I like the emotional ties and social connections that are made....

    if for example Byrne writes a comic that was supposed to take place before Krakoa occurred but after the original x-men book was canceled I would find this annoying b/c you can completely change the history of characters and their interactions....

    so the first time we see Candy Southern become a part of a super-team is on the Defenders, but in this X-book taking place in the past Candy was part of the X-men... changes alot about her character at least I think so...

    so back to the issue at hand.. if we give JLI their own universe their characters, social ties etc. will develop w/o interfering with any other books.... I also don't think (and this is only my opinion) alot of the JLI characters who were used in other books weren't half as interesting as they were in the JLI book (with the exception of Guy)... BB in BOP was odd just as Fire as a super-spy was odd... specifically MM he has no reason for being, there already is a superman... in fact whenever superman has gone rogue he should have been the first one in line to take care of him... but that's not how he is used... he's just not interesting enough to use... but in JLI he was awesome... better than Superman with his continuity/emotional/social baggage would be

    - Seafire

    p.s. sorry for the ramble was trying to write this while in class

     
  • At March 21, 2010 4:43 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    But they already HAVE their social ties and affiliations.

    BB might have been weird in Birds of Prey (personally I disagree) but his friendship with Barbara is a big aspect of both of their characters.

    Booster Gold is awesome right now, and Checkmate allowed a completely different but still recognizeable side of Fire.

    It's silly though, they already have identities outside of the team (even J'onn, much as he annoys me) with very important social ties, which at least in the case of Booster or Guy are actually MORE important than any from JLI.

    And really, JLI didn't originate these characters any more than the regular Justice League created Superman, Batman and so on. And a LOT of the JLI characters have a lot of important aspects that JLI never covered.

    Ted had his complex relationship with his predecessor as well as his family troubles.

    Michael had his sister (featured prominently in Booster Gold), his time issues, Skeets, and a significant supporting cast. Not to mention an origin that relies HEAVILY on the shared universe (considering the significance of Death of Superman, and the fact that he wears a Legion ring.)

    Guy is so much more complex than JLI showed, and to be honest, much as I dislike him, so was Martian Manhunter.

    Hell, even Fire and Ice have their ties outside of their little pocket that make them stronger as a whole (for example, Ice's crush on Superman).

    Writing stories set during that time is cool, heck, teaming them up NOW is cool, but shunting them off to some parallel universe and getting rid of all of their non-JLI ties does each character a disservice.

     
  • At March 21, 2010 4:52 AM, Blogger Ragnell said…

    Empath -- When you do, please link me. I'd love to read an analysis of masculinity and those four guys, even if you hate them (I like all 4 listed.)

    Seafire -- Uh... What?

    You said: "I also don't think (and this is only my opinion) alot of the JLI characters who were used in other books weren't half as interesting as they were in the JLI book (with the exception of Guy)..."

    I mean, the JLI book was funny and had some heartwarming moments, and I adore Giffen but it was ultimately one-dimensional humor. They are more interesting when used for more than just comedy.

    I suspect you just want the funny and are brought down by any reminder that tragedy can occur in their lives, so you want a continuity-free funny. Like taking Mercutio out of Romeo and Juliet so you can smile without thinking about what happens to him and how it eventually leads to the death of the lovers.


    And secondly, uh... What?
    You said: "specifically MM he has no reason for being, there already is a superman... "

    How is a telepathic shapeshifter redundant because Superman exists?

     
  • At March 21, 2010 5:11 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    if for example Byrne writes a comic that was supposed to take place before Krakoa occurred but after the original x-men book was canceled I would find this annoying b/c you can completely change the history of characters and their interactions....

    Actually, Byrne's series was legitimately awesome and was very good at not changing too much about histories and interactions while filling in some very important gaps.

    Like why isn't anyone shocked when Magneto's back despite the fact that in the original run, they saw him die?

    And it fleshes out Lorna and Alex's roles in the group and interactions with each other, since they really only had a short time before they got written out again in Giant-Sized.

    As for the changes, well, really, the only hugely significant change was Storm, and it was such a brief meeting that it doesn't necessarily contradict the awkward interactions in Giant-Size X-Men #1. It's not like they had time for chit-chat or discussion on cultural norms.
    I don't even think it really wrecks Candy Southern's timeline. She accompanied them on a few trips, in one of Jean's spare costumes. She wasn't really part of the team, and was only in it for Warren. But, if it bothers you THAT much, you can always assume Xavier mind-wiped her (and maybe the others) after the fact. It's hardly out of character.

    The pre Giant-Size run left off at a very strange place. Hidden Years enriched the setting/time period immensely, IMO.

    (Now First Class is much more of a disruption: especially with the complete absence of Alex and Lorna. And Xavier being sane, but that's a different kettle of fish.)

     
  • At March 21, 2010 9:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    yikes guys I was only giving my opinion... sorry didn't mean to offend

    On MM:
    MM is the most powerful member of the JL even more than supers. But he is a cone in the fact that he came from a world that was destroyed and he is the last of his race. And like Supes race MM's race and culture was a highly rational and formalized culture... in those ways he is very much a clone of superman TO ME. Its one of the reasons why I think MM is redundant and doesn't add anything of value to the team IN MY OPINION.

    On only liking comedy:
    What are you talking about? I love drama. As I stated before "I read superhero comics b/c they are super-powered soap operas, action & drama all in one place" In fact when JLI become ONLY comedy is when I dropped it. I especially loved the first few issues of JLI b/c they were action comedy and drama in one place.

    On parallel universes:
    I see what you are saying about the negatives of having multi-earths.

    The only comparison I can make is to soaps. So for example, if you have a character in a soap and he says that Joe is my best friend and Jen is my true love but when the character gets moved to another soap you hear the character saying I have never loved anyone like you Julie and Jack you are my best friend it just doesn’t make sense to me. I like consistency.

    I personally think that individual universes for each team makes more sense and is a lot more readable than have characters all over the place. It’s also easier on my wallet. That's just my opinion; I wasn't attacking anyone by my statements.

    oh another character that I think is cool but am unsure what should be done with is Aquaman.

    - Seafire

     
  • At March 21, 2010 6:08 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Seafire:

    We're allowed to disagree with YOUR OPINION.

    "Most powerful member of the team" is hardly enough to make someone a clone of superman. Especially since their powers (and weaknesses) are incredibly different.

    Moreover, J'onn's power is balanced by the fact that his weakness is much more common and easily encountered than rocks of his home planet.

    Mars and Krypton were incredibly different cultures, and more so, any redundancy is lost in that Clark is defined by his humanity. He doesn't generally consider himself Kryptonian. It's like comparing someone who was an immigrant in childhood to an immigrant in adulthood. Very different circumstances.

    In my personal opinion, parallel universe teams get redundant. We saw that in the Silver Age with the Justice Society and Justice League. The best issues were when they crossed-over. But if you're going to have crossing over, why NOT have them in the same world?

    Likewise, in my opinion, the best storyarcs and interactions in JLI/JLA v2 were the stuff that tied in with the rest of what was going on.

    Booster's big character moments in the Doomsday fight for example. Ice's crush on Superman. Guy's rivalry with Hal Jordan.

    (Kind of like, to use Soap examples, some of the most interesting storylines crossed General Hospital, One Life to Live, and All my Children. And some great characters, like Skye Chandler/Quartermaine got their start on one and migrated to another where she fit much better.)

    Hell, Booster, even before his current comic, was heavily based on the merged-Earth timeline. Superman and the Legion were inspiration and mechanism for powers respectively. You have to scrap his entire backstory/history to make him work. That's a much bigger change than letting Candy Southern hang around with the X-Men for a story arc or two.

    Also, the whole point of a comic relief team is to counter-point the "serious" heroes. That kind of parody works much less well without the others to bounce off of. (Hell, even the non-continuity I Can't Believe it's Not the Justice League had brief appearances by the other heroes. And that would have been the greatest argument for an AU JLI). It's like Great Lakes Avengers really. If that were in its own universe, you wouldn't have Squirrel Girl vs. whoever.

    There's plenty of reason to have multiple hero teams handling different threats and covering different areas. It's kind of like how we have city police, state police, FBI, and the army. They do different things.

    Likewise, in DCU, you have the Justice League handling monumental threats like huge invasions and reality warpers, Justice Society tends to work closer to home with street level threats, magic, and the occasional Earth-based secret societies. Green Lanterns work in space. The Batclan works in the grittier parts of the city/cities. The Teen Titans handle a variety of problems based on their origins that usually aren't quite as grandscale is the JLA problems but still pretty intense. And so on.

    But if you splinter them off into their own universes, then you increase their redundancy. If aliens invade in the DCU and they're a massive threat, it's probably a JLA story. If they're less massive/sneakier a threat, it might be a Titans story. If they're a REAL big threat, it might be a multi-team giant crossover (always fun!).

    But if aliens invade in each of these splinter universes, then every team takes it. If it's comedic, they take it. If it's grand scale, they take it. If it's small scale, they take it.

    It robs them of their individual roles and meaningful interaction. And really, part of the fun of the JLI is that a lot of people dismiss them (wrongly) as a joke. But people wouldn't/couldn't do that if they were the ONLY team. Then they become the only means of protection. And you don't have inter-team rivalries which is just sad. :-)

     
  • At March 21, 2010 9:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    LOL well that works... you went over alot of the good storylines that I forgot about in JL like Ice's crush on Supes etc.
    And Skye's storyline was an awesome example too. Your arguments make sense.

    But 2 things:

    1) MM is a near clone still
    - super-strength
    - super-speed
    - invulnerability
    - super-breath
    - super-vision

    there are just enough quirks to make him different but I still think he is very much Superman. But I'll agree to disagree

    2) What do you think about Wolverine being in every single marvel comic or Deadpool for that matter? Do you think it adds value to the character or adds redundancy?

    - Seafire

     
  • At March 21, 2010 11:04 PM, Blogger Ununnilium said…

    "But why, when you can set stories in that time period as easily?"

    Because, in that case, you're ultimately limited by what's already happened. That doesn't matter if you want to do a one-off focusing on their personalities and the character interactions at the time (there was an excellent issue of Martian Manhunter like this), but if you want to expand on those interactions...

    "I mean, the JLI book was funny and had some heartwarming moments, and I adore Giffen but it was ultimately one-dimensional humor."

    Actually, reading it after I'd heard about it for so long, I was struck by how much plot - and how much tragedy - there really was.

    "I suspect you just want the funny and are brought down by any reminder that tragedy can occur in their lives, so you want a continuity-free funny."

    To be fair, continuity-free funny definitely has a place. But what I'd like is room to develop the personal interactions without the interference of Events.

    Note that I wouldn't take all the other characters out of that universe; actually, it could be interesting, having a place where you could put previous versions of characters whose stories were irreparably cut off by later developments.

    "Actually, Byrne's series was legitimately awesome and was very good at not changing too much about histories and interactions while filling in some very important gaps."

    I thought it had some good ideas, especially on a character level, but got bogged down in plot spaghetti.

    Also, I gotta agree: MM isn't really anything like Superman, other than having some of the same powers.

     
  • At March 22, 2010 1:13 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I'm not against the occasional non-continuity type adventure (i.e. Formerly Known As the Justice League/I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League)

    But I don't really think there's enough to make it its own little universe. Even in those books, they brought in/referred to other teams.

    A "What if JLI never ended?" is cool, but I don't think a full universe transplant (i.e. with JLI as the only superteam around) is necessary or even a good idea. You lose too much that way.

     
  • At March 22, 2010 1:20 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Seafire: Same powers don't equal same character. The primary uses are very different. The tactics and talents are different. The issues, emotional structure, and history are different.

    And heck, by that logic aren't Batman, Blue Beetle II, Nightwing, Robin, Red Robin, Wesley Dodds - pre Sandman/SMT dream shit, Sandy Hawkins pre - sandmonsterdom, Oliver Queen, Roy Harper the same character?

    They're all white human men who are "badass normals" with no power, detective type skills, occasionally gimicky devices, and a lot of money.

    Basically, it's not what you got, it's what you do with it.

    And while I'm not a Wolverine fan, I don't actually have anything against him being on different teams. He usually fills a useful role on each team.

    I'd actually PREFER if they created another character in that vein (gruff, honorable-but-violent, cranky, authority-insulting) for a few cases because a new character would have more potential for development. But I don't begrudge his presence.

    Now I tend to think his own comic is fanboy heaven, but well, it actually keeps a lot of that crap out of the comics *I* like. So it's all fun. I don't have to buy those issues after all. :-)

     
  • At March 22, 2010 2:12 PM, Blogger Ununnilium said…

    See, I wouldn't make a universe where they're the only superteam. I'd fill it up with other characters whose personal journeys were derailed by the demands of the greater universe, like Hawk & Dove (Kesel version), Young Justice, and the Black Marvel Family.

    (I still say that arc in 52 was Osiris's Hero's Journey, and that killing him off was the worst possible decision for anything Captain Marvel-related.)

     
  • At March 22, 2010 7:11 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    I thought it was more Isis's journey than Osiris's. But either way, it did derail with his death. Which really sucked, as Isis was much more interesting as a heroic influence on Black Adam.

    That said, I'm still amused by Sobek chomping Osiris. It's the same part of me that digs that Rippy the Gator song. (Chomp-chomp-chomp!)

     
  • At March 24, 2010 1:45 AM, Blogger Ununnilium said…

    Agreed, and... yeah, agreed. (nom nom nom)

     

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