Second Coming Musing
You know, I really ought to be suffering event fatigue right now, but I'm actually really looking forward to Second Coming. (The X-Men crossover.) Probably that's because I'm enjoying Nation X so much.
For the record, I find Magneto's character arc really fascinating, and Magneto's not a character I tend to like easily. They actually made his umpteenth redemption arc interesting though, since it's the first time, to my knowledge, he's ever done the redemption thing while trying to (seemingly genuinely) follow someone else's leadership. Before it's always been as Headmaster, or his own particular semi-neutral head, or Joseph who doesn't count. (I always wish they'd bring him back though. He was a cute baby-Magneto clone.)
Watching him try, and sometimes fail, to overcome his own take charge instincts and prove his earnestness is pretty interesting!
I am pretty sure they're going to kill off my favorite character though. (I'm sure you can't possibly guess who THAT is.) Mostly because that would cause the most chaos in the current X-set up.
Most of the other characters dying (i.e. Emma) would just make things simpler in some respect, and that's no fun.
Also, this image pretty much confirms it for me. If anyone else were dying, he'd be in front of a tombstone or something. But in front of an open grave? Framed by said open grave? Alone in the shot, with a cross and an angel?
Yep. Totally dead. (Man, this is mean, but I really hope the actual comic isn't drawn by Acuna.) I'm actually looking forward to it though, because if any character could really use a vacation, it's him. And well, he'll be back. :-)
I'm not sure how I think the Hope or Jean thing shakes out. But I am looking forward to Jean coming back with her husband dead this time. Let HER be the one who has to wait/date around/get bitchy comments from her teammates, friends, and kids for it, this time. :-)
(It probably should be noted that I'm usually wrong about my predictions. But still, it'll be fun to see either way.)
For the record, I find Magneto's character arc really fascinating, and Magneto's not a character I tend to like easily. They actually made his umpteenth redemption arc interesting though, since it's the first time, to my knowledge, he's ever done the redemption thing while trying to (seemingly genuinely) follow someone else's leadership. Before it's always been as Headmaster, or his own particular semi-neutral head, or Joseph who doesn't count. (I always wish they'd bring him back though. He was a cute baby-Magneto clone.)
Watching him try, and sometimes fail, to overcome his own take charge instincts and prove his earnestness is pretty interesting!
I am pretty sure they're going to kill off my favorite character though. (I'm sure you can't possibly guess who THAT is.) Mostly because that would cause the most chaos in the current X-set up.
Most of the other characters dying (i.e. Emma) would just make things simpler in some respect, and that's no fun.
Also, this image pretty much confirms it for me. If anyone else were dying, he'd be in front of a tombstone or something. But in front of an open grave? Framed by said open grave? Alone in the shot, with a cross and an angel?
Yep. Totally dead. (Man, this is mean, but I really hope the actual comic isn't drawn by Acuna.) I'm actually looking forward to it though, because if any character could really use a vacation, it's him. And well, he'll be back. :-)
I'm not sure how I think the Hope or Jean thing shakes out. But I am looking forward to Jean coming back with her husband dead this time. Let HER be the one who has to wait/date around/get bitchy comments from her teammates, friends, and kids for it, this time. :-)
(It probably should be noted that I'm usually wrong about my predictions. But still, it'll be fun to see either way.)
posted by kalinara @ 11:50 PM
9 Comments:
At February 09, 2010 8:33 AM,
Seangreyson said…
Yeah I've been kind of looking forward to this for the same reasons. But I don't think the image necessarily means Scott is dead.
The one time they killed him, everybody just kind of shrugged and went on with life. I mean it was a couple months before anyone even thought, hmm I wonder what happened to his body?
To fit the image though I could see the dead person being Cable (who's got the obvious connection to Hope) or one of the originals. That would explain the grim expression.
Or Hope bites it, and all of Scott's plans for the last year or so go up in smoke.
At February 09, 2010 9:13 AM,
kalinara said…
Dude, last time he died, they KNEW what happened to his body. APOCALYPSE had it. (And then spent a storyarc using reality-warping Twelve powers to fuck with them through time and space.)
And it led to a considerable leadership vacuum that lead to weirdness like Rogue and GAMBIT, of all people, leading teams.
(And Cable wearing a larger version of his father's uniform, down to wearing the visor as part of his collar. Which was just creepy.)
That of course was during the time when Xavier was running the team out of the X-Mansion. As opposed to now, when they're a hunted race hiding out on an island, with his leadership basically being the only thing keeping them alive/together.
Cable's death would effect Scott and Hope, but that's about it, I think. He's not been a presence in current leadership (partially on account of being lost in time). Hope's death would be more of a blow, but it seems like the X-Men are a bit busy with the whole Osborn-oppression/being hunted thing to really focus on the semi-distant future.
I don't think either of their deaths would "change the X-Men forever."
(And I still think if it were someone else, it'd be Scott looking at a tombstone. With the open grave as it is, you have an interesting almost-optical illusion. Focus in the right way on the grave at the bottom, and he's not looking INTO a grave. He's looking OUT.)
We'll see if I'm right in about two months, I think. :-)
At February 09, 2010 9:36 AM,
Anonymous said…
I would have thought that, if they're bringing Jean back (as I gather from your post), Scott being alive would cause the most "interesting" situation - a Jean-Scott-Emma love triangle where Scott is torn between his love for Emma and his love for Jean, as well as his duty to his current girlfriend and his duty to his wife; Jean wants to win Scott back but doesn't know if it's the right thing to do; Emma sees Jean as competition and does her level best to win, whatever the cost.
There's just too much potential angst for Marvel to miss out!
At February 09, 2010 9:51 AM,
kalinara said…
I don't know that they're bringing her back, I suspect they might.
Killing him off wouldn't END the angst, though. It'd just postpone it for a while. They can still do all the triangle stuff when he comes back. :-)
(And this way, Jean and Emma will actually have to work together without him as a factor for a bit before the triangle resumes. :-))
At February 10, 2010 12:37 AM,
Seangreyson said…
Weird question, but probably an important one considering he married Jean Grey. Are they even still married, considering the whole death do us part aspect of the vows (and the fact that they've both died at least once since the wedding)?
As for the whole Apocalypse having his body thing, didn't they assume that both he and Apocalypse died during the whole warping time and space thing. Plus Jean made a mention that the rapport was severed, at the time, but Jean was the only one who believed that Apocalypse (and thus Scott) was still alive.
As I recall the other X-men made some kind of rude comments that Jean was still in the denial stage. Hell the Professor was so certain his surrogate son was dead that he ran off to space with a bunch of skrulls (didn't even run to Lilandra, just started flying around with his new skrull buddies).
I thought that was kind of the point to Search for Cyclops, that until Ozymandius confirmed that A+C were still alive, everyone thought they'd both died.
At February 10, 2010 9:01 AM,
kalinara said…
Actually, they didn't say "death do us part" in their vows. :-)
They said: "Through pain and passion. Through sorrow and hope. Through death and through life."
Of course, I'm pretty sure marriage vows are a formality and the license is the key. So in this case, it'd probably be a matter of whether death dissolves a contract in the Marvel universe. Which given how frequent death/resurrection happens, isn't a given. :-)
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After Ages of Apocalypse, Xavier does theorize that Scott's body couldn't contain the reality warping powers of the twelve like Nate's would have. (Heh.) But no one is 100% sure of Apocalypse's death one way or another.
What Xavier IS sure of is that he never sensed Cyclops's mind during the fight and doesn't sense him now. Ergo, he was obliterated against Apocalypse. (No one else is rude to Jean at this point though. They're all solemn/sympathetic. Xavier's just the dick.)
Ozymandias DOES confirm both are still alive, but this was after six months of inactivity. So they can be kind of forgiven for thinking that Xavier was right after all.
But it kind of proves my point. :-) If someone dies warping reality to plague you, you're probably not going to find a body. (Xavier at least seemed to believe the body was obliterated by the energy.) So it's less sentiment and more practicality that meant they wouldn't go searching for the body. It doesn't mean they weren't effected. (As the leadership vacuum later showed. I mean, seriously, who the hell would put GAMBIT in charge of a team!)
At February 10, 2010 11:45 AM,
Seangreyson said…
Yeah now that you mention it, didn't the Gambit team include Jean, Cable and Beast. Really those guys were going to put Gambit in charge?
At September 16, 2011 10:15 AM,
Maximillian said…
It won't truly have success, I suppose this way.
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At December 07, 2011 11:27 AM,
Austin said…
This cannot work in fact, that is what I consider.
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