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Sunday, September 09, 2007

2nd Hand Marvel Panel Convention Reaction:

Okay, newsarama's got a write-up here and I have two reactions mostly.

The first is the reaction to a new Young Avengers mini-series:

But he and Cebulski announced that there will be a five issue mini-series in January that will focus on the Young Avengers, with each issue done by a different writer and ocusing on a different one or two characters. The writers will be:

Ed Brubaker - Patriot in #1.
Brian Reed - Hulkling meeting Captain Mar-vell in #2.
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa - Wiccan and Speed in #3.
Paul Cornell - The Vision in issue #4.
"We haven't said who's doing the fifth issue. So there will be more Young Avengers stuff on the way."

Okay, this is awesome news, in my opinion. I love anything that further connects Patriot with everything and anything Cap, Brubaker writing is a damn good sign. I like Brubaker. I like Patriot. This should be awesome.

And also I'm really excited about #2 because I have such a thing for long lost relatives reuniting and I really really wanted Teddy to meet that side of the family. :-)

My other reaction is more to the commenters of the post than to the post itself. See, okay, Captain America's death comes up three times. in the panel write-up. Specifically here:

How can you have Captain America ongoing with no Captain America? Brevoort: "So far so good." Will we see him again? Brevoort: Yes. "On a lot of tombstones. "He's dead. Steve Rogers is dead. As for what that means for the Cap book, yeah, we're going to continue publishing it."

The next fan asked, to the laugh of the audience, so when is Steve Rogers coming back? Brevoort: "Dead. Steve Rogers is dead. Dead."


Another fan asked about whether Steve Rogers is really dead. Brevoort: "They threw his body in the ocean ... Namor's watching it right now ... Every six months they poke it with a stick ... He's dead!"

And here:

Why did Cap have to die? Brevoort: It was an opportunity to tell new stories about Cap. "In some ways, he's more beloved now than when he was alive," he said. Now Marvel can tell stories about what role he played in the Marvel Universe.

And of course the first few posters are all in the "He's dead forever!" camp. (Perhaps common sense shows up later, but I stopped reading on account of pain from eyes rolling too far into my brain.)

Okay, am I the only who noticed that "He's dead" is not actually an answer to if/when he's coming back?

Seriously, and it might just be my bias speaking, but I read those and come out with even more of a certainty that he's going to be back.

Brevoort has many times in which he could just say "We're not bringing him back. He's dead for good." He explains about the kinds of stories they can tell. He establishes that he's really dead (in an emphatic and overly humorous way that tends to read very playing-to-the-audience) and...that's it.

Honestly, anyone who asks those kind of questions at a convention panel and expects a straight answer is idiotic anyway, since panelists can and do LIE. Brevoort didn't even do that. He dodged the question with a literal answer!

But seriously, this was all planned. All of it. And anyone who doesn't think it's going to end in a resurrection has never read a comic book. This character's been around pretty STEADILY since the forties. So much so that they had to retcon whole decades as other men to unfreeze him from the ice.

There's a MOVIE coming out in 2009.

They never put anyone else in the damn costume! ('xcept Clint, but that doesn't count)

I'm not saying that people can't HOPE he stays dead for a while or bemoan his inevitable resurrection, but dude, it's going to happen. (Honestly, I figure it'll be at the end of the storyline starting in October. The signs seem pretty indicative, but I've been wrong before.)

...this is why I try not to read message boards. Too much silly outweighing the insightful. All you smart message board people ought to get blogs. :-)


  • At September 09, 2007 2:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If Brubaker is doing Patriot in a single issue, and the Captain America title is ongoing, doesn't it seem possible, if not likely, that Patriot will take over as Captain America?

    "There's a new Captain America, and he's BLACK!" certainly seems like something Marvel could parlay into coverage on CNN, just like when Cap died.

  • At September 09, 2007 2:42 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Hmm, I don't think so. I mean, Patriot set up as Cap's successor would be awesome, but Patriot as Cap NOW seems pretty unlikely, though not impossible I suppose.

    But he's awfully young still. And considering it's a Young Avengers miniseries, I doubt it's going to be a succession issue. (That'd more likely be in the Captain America ongoing anyway.)

    Besides, do we really want to set the poor kid up as the Captain-America-Who-Is-Not-Steve-Rogers? Even assuming that this current administration has NO plans to bring Steve back (which seems unlikely to me, but you never know), it's more than likely the next group will.

    Then Patriot ends up killed off or shunted out of the loop. I'd rather have him set up as "the future Captain America" than "the interim Captain America".

  • At September 09, 2007 2:51 AM, Blogger elias A. said…

    All you smart message board people ought to get blogs. :-)

    Hey, I just did that! Does that mean I'm smart? ;)

    But seriously, there still are a lot of smart messageboards I enjoy.

  • At September 09, 2007 2:53 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    But seriously, there still are a lot of smart messageboards I enjoy.

    I don't doubt it! That's why they ought to get blogs though. So I don't have to wade through silliness to read them. :-)

  • At September 09, 2007 3:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "And considering it's a Young Avengers miniseries, I doubt it's going to be a succession issue. (That'd more likely be in the Captain America ongoing anyway.)"

    I don't know. It doesn't sound like a typical miniseries. The focus on particular characters in each issue would be a convenient structure for a change in the Young Avengers lineup. It could be a series of issues tieing up loose ends for the characters and establishing their new situations before disbanding the group in #5.

    Or, if Young Avengers stick around, the apparently 'unannounced' issue #5 could be the issue where Patriot's replacement in YA is revealed.

    As for Patriot's age, well, Bucky was pretty young at first, too.

  • At September 09, 2007 3:18 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    It sounds like a pitch for a "where are they now" sort of thing, but if Eli's going to be Cap, I still think that's the sort of thing that'd be told in Captain America.

    And yes, Bucky WAS young. But Bucky wasn't Cap either. Eli currently lacks the physical stature to pull off an adult identity. (Though Eli as an adult from the future would be an awesome Cap). And as we've seen Eli quite a bit through Civil War and after, they can't really upgrade him from a spindly youth to a massive full grown man by that point in time. (And design-wise, it seems terribly unlikely that they'd put a slight, spindly youth in Cap's costume.)

    Eli's initial Patriot costume was modeled after Bucky's anyway. Bucky's age is not an argument because essentially Patriot is an equivalent teen-hero-esque status.

    And that's not even getting into the fact that while Eli's warmed considerably toward Steve before the latter died, he still had a lot of issues with the guy. (It's likely that the mini-series issue will focus on that some, but at least right now, he doesn't seem emotionally ready to take that role)

    Honestly, while a black Captain America would be certainly a publicity grabber, I don't think they'd use Eli to do it not when Sam Wilson would be a much better choice.

    Sam's an adult of appropriate physical stature. He's emotionally stable. He's Steve's best friend and was featured prominently for most of Brubaker's run.

    He'd be pretty easy to put into the costume and I think most of the fans would even accept him.

    Eli on the other hand, well, it's POSSIBLE sure, but I really really don't think it's likely.

  • At September 09, 2007 3:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Sam's an adult of appropriate physical stature. He's emotionally stable. He's Steve's best friend and was featured prominently for most of Brubaker's run."

    Maybe Sam as Cap, with Eli as Bucky...

  • At September 09, 2007 3:27 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Heh, I think if they were going there, they probably would have by now. (Not sure I could see Eli, after having lead the Young Avengers, willingly taking a subordinate sidekick role either.)

    It would be a pretty interesting AU though.

    My personal favorite scenario, since I believe Steve'll be back soon enough, is to have a Captain America from the future come back and team up with him and be all badass and awesome.

    And of course, it'd be Eli. And I'd be all "Aww."

    That way we know it'll happen. But there's no pressure on the character from fans who'd resent him not being Steve, and he can continue to be awesome as Patriot for a long time.

    (Good teen heroes are hard to find. I wanna keep 'em for a while. :-))

  • At September 09, 2007 10:03 AM, Blogger Alexa D said…

    The 5th YA book has to be on Cassie and Kate though. At least, it had better me, or I have to go lay smackdown on some people.

  • At September 09, 2007 12:12 PM, Blogger SallyP said…

    Wait...dead people come back to life in comic books?

    Well fry me for a donut!

  • At September 10, 2007 4:48 PM, Blogger Scott said…

    Of course, they're doing that storyline where the 1940s lineup of the Invaders comes to the present day through time travel, so they can have their cake and eat it too - keep the Steve Rogers Captain America dead for a while, *and* have him running around interacting with everybody.

    Stark's reaction to Cap should be interesting - as should Namor's reaction to himself...

  • At September 10, 2007 10:36 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    :-) True!

    Though it's also possible that they could decide to have Steve interact with himself too. Which could be interesting as well.

    Lots of possibilities there, dead or alive! :-)


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