Question: Phyla and Moondragon?
Okay, so someone's been getting me all amused and intrigued by telling me about Phyla Vell and Moondragon and all the fun space-faring lesbian dragon relationship stuff and it sounds like a lot of fun.
Thing is, the only thing is that I'm completely unfamiliar with either character. The only time I think I've seen them was that appearance in She-Hulk a while back. I do plan on giving the new series a try, but I'd also like to pick up on older appearances too.
So I know there are folks who are more experienced with Marvel comics than I am reading this, at least I hope there are, so um...
If I want to learn more about the characters, where's a good place to start?
Thing is, the only thing is that I'm completely unfamiliar with either character. The only time I think I've seen them was that appearance in She-Hulk a while back. I do plan on giving the new series a try, but I'd also like to pick up on older appearances too.
So I know there are folks who are more experienced with Marvel comics than I am reading this, at least I hope there are, so um...
If I want to learn more about the characters, where's a good place to start?
posted by kalinara @ 3:32 AM
14 Comments:
At November 21, 2007 3:55 AM,
Unknown said…
Peter David's second volume of Captain Marvel. It introduces Phyla, and begins the realtionship. Though how they get together at the end may seem a bit wierd if not slap-dash.
Honestly the best story that I've read them both in are the Annihilation stories.
Though for Moondragon there may be abit more, as she's old 70's/80's marvel and has a large history that I have not read all of. I only found out that Drax was her dad in the first Annihilation prequals
At November 21, 2007 4:39 AM,
LurkerWithout said…
Tough call, as Moondragon has been around for a good long while. But I'll second the 2nd volume of David's Captain Marvel. I never shined to the 1st volume, but I've heard good things about later stuff. And the first Annihilation series sets things up well...
But both Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest are as full of Marvel Continuity Porn as anything Johns does for DC. I'm not saying you won't still go, wow that scene was great. But the impact of the big reveals or most of the cameos won't really be there if you don't recognize people like Adam Warlock or the Super Adaptoid...
At November 21, 2007 7:06 AM,
Anonymous said…
Well, to age me (good thing I'm anonymous), Moondragon first appeared in the first comics I ever bought... in some Daredevils I got on a long family road trip. As I recall, some villains team up... Ramrod, Angar the Screamer (no kidding) and the Stiltman. Moondragon is a supposed minion of the shadowy figure behind it all. Guess what? She turns out to be good! Shocking! And what does she do? She gives Daredevil his sight back so he can defeat the bad guys. Only problem is Daredevil can't function with sight! Oh, the irony!
Okay, when I was a kid, it was cool.
At November 21, 2007 7:10 AM,
Anonymous said…
And I just remembered... when she was in the shadows with the shadowy figure... she was... wait for it:
Madame MacEvil!!!!!
At November 21, 2007 7:41 AM,
running42k said…
Moondragon was an Avenger during the late 70s or early 80s. You can read about her there. Very Spock like.
I feel old writing this as all you kids have never heard of her and I read her in high school.
At November 21, 2007 10:31 AM,
Ron Hogan said…
Moondragon was also in the Defenders in the mid-80s, and in retrospect I'm convinced that JM DeMatteis was laying in some characterization bits to imply that she had seduced Valkyrie, although possibly more emotionally than sexually.
At November 21, 2007 12:21 PM,
Anonymous said…
Ron: and Peter Gillis took it much, much further, albeit in a very subtle way, with Cloud.
Phyla's first appearance is in the "Crazy Like a Fox" arc in issues #15-18 of CM v2. Collected in a trade... that's out of print.
At November 21, 2007 5:24 PM,
Anonymous said…
I have Crazy Like a Fox.
I will send it to you if you want.
(may just be the worlds biggest Mar-Vell fan).
The latest Mini is a bit to weepy for my tastes but it does have decent action.
But as for the characters....
(If I can remember off the top of my head while doing inventory on Wed.)
Moondragon: Heather and her family were driving around in the desert when they were abducted by aliens. These turned out to be the Titans from Titan. Her dad was turned into the unstopable man-creature Drax the Destroyer with one mission in life: KILL THANOS. Heather ended up in the cult of the Moondragon I believe. She gained psychic powers and a few others. She bounced around as a villain to hero to eventually become romantically involved with Marlo, Rick Jones ex. She met Phyla for the first time while trying to protect Marlo from Magus when it turns out Magus was after her!.
She's strong enough telepathicly to put up a fight against Thanos and turned into a big ol' Dragon recently.
Phyla: In Peter Davids second run of Captain Marvel, Genis-Vell went crazy because of Cosmic awareness. He ended up recreating the universe with a few minor differences. First his mom (but oddly not his dad) was back, and second, his mom made a sister (both were grown in tanks with parts of her and Mar-vells DNA). She was groomed to be Captain Marvel and was by all accounts more stable then Genis. She had her own set of Nega Bands even! Her ultimate flaw was her Arrogance. She was raised beleving she was to be the best, better then her brother and possibly her father. She met Moondragon and in the Final issue of that run on Captain Marvel they left to go exploring together (after Marlo left Moondragon to return to Rick Jones).
Cut to Annihilation where Thanos shows up to kidnapp Moondragon. Phyla, still calling herself Captain Marvell, tries to fight her dads Arch Enemy but is merely a fly swatted away. With Heather kidnapped and her pride baddly wounded (to the point where she no longer calls her self Captain Marvel), Phyla joins Nova's resistence aganist the Annihililation wave. In the final battle with Annihilus the Quantum bands (which belonged to Quasar who Annihilus had killed and stolen them from) flew from his wrists onto her's and made her the new Quasar. After Annihilus's defeat she finds Moondragon and they ride off into the sunset but, like everyone in Annihilation, they were firmly changed emotionally.
In Quasar the two are trying to protect the "saviour" from the Phalanx controlled Super-Adaptoid.
Ish ok.
~Breathes!~
At November 21, 2007 8:07 PM,
notintheface said…
Didn't they hook up one night after getting ANNIHILATED?
(Oops! Bad space opera humor!)
At November 22, 2007 9:48 PM,
Anonymous said…
Prolly the oldest appearances of Moondragon that are back in print would be Avengers compilations, like the Serpent Crown and the Celestial Madonna Saga, right? Plus she turns up at the end of the Omega the Unknown tpb and gets righteously pissed off.
At November 23, 2007 12:17 PM,
Anonymous said…
Sorry, Josh. Moony's first appearance (as Madame MacEvil) was in Iron Man in 1973. Her first appearance (as Moondragon) was in the DDs I mentioned above.
At November 26, 2007 10:20 AM,
mordicai said…
I'm going to say just read "Annihilation," which was all I knew of the two before I read the mini-series. That & Wikipedia, of course. Fair warning: I thought the series was rubbish.
At April 02, 2011 5:51 PM,
Mystery Man said…
I'm researching M.D. and her characterization has been wildly inconsistent from writer to writer. In the early Avengers (Serpent Crown Affair) she was very superior but also noble and occasionally warm towards the others. Later writers made her a straight out bitch and even when she was in the right, nobody liked her because she was an elitist prude. She went to the dark side, and in Defenders she's on probation and trying to mind-fuck everybody. The lesbian tendencies started up there and apparently took off in Captain Marvel. I read the Annihilation books and she seemed like a completely different character.
At June 01, 2012 1:22 PM,
sports handicapping services said…
I personally like more the volume number 1
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