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Tuesday, June 06, 2006

The Depressing List B side Introduction

Okay, first thing's first, go here so you know the story.

Really though, Ragnell and I have been talking about compiling a list like this for a while and now we're going to do it. She's handling the female characters and I'm handling the guys.

As there are only two of us, we'll be glad for any contributions to the list. So if you know of a male character that fits in any of the below categories, please either suggest him in a reply to this post or through email at r_nyalveis@hotmail.com. If possible, please provide an issue number or the name of the storyarc for my reference. Thanks.

Please note that we're centering our focus on DC and Marvel comics at this time.

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Our category list

I. Explicit Instances of Actual/Attempted Sexual Assault

A. Rape/Sexual Assault of Adult Victims (Actual):

The primary subcategory will be "On-Panel" (Shown explicitly through current events or flashback) or "Off-Panel" (established in Dialogue but not Visually Indicated).

The secondary subcategories will be as follows:

-In the Present: Storyline/Plot-Related

(For example: In the Killing Joke, Barbara Gordon was shot by the Joker, who then removed her clothing and took suggestive pictures of her. This would count as "storyline-related assault" as it happened in the present tense of that comic.)

-In the Past 1.0: Backstory Established at Character Origin

(For example: In the first issue of the Post-Crisis Wonder Woman series, it was established that Queen Hippolyta and the other Amazons were raped by Herakles and his men in Ancient Greece.)

-In the Past 2.0: Flashback/Backstory Retroactively Inserted

(For example: in the miniseries Identity Crisis, it was established that at some point during the Satellite-Era of the Justice League, Sue Dibny was sexually assaulted by Doctor Light)

-In the Past 3.0: Flashback/Backstory Retroactively Removed

(For example: Helena Bertinelli's backstory used to contain a reference of a childhood sexual assault [Section C] however the later retelling of her origin retroactively removed it.)

B. Rape/Sexual Assault of Adult Victims (Attempted):

Same subcategory setup as seen in section I.A.

C. Sexual Assault/Abuse/Molestation of Minors (Actual):

The primary and secondary subcategories will be the same as in section I.A and I.B, but there will be a tertiary subcategory that addresses statuatory rape.

(For example, In Robin, Stephanie Brown was impregnated by her boyfriend at age 15. The sexual acts were portrayed as consentual, which would differentiate them from acts of traumatic molestation or assault, but still qualifies as statuatory rape.)

D. Sexual Assault/Abuse/Molestation of Minors (Attempted):

The subcategories of Section D will be the same set-up as seen in Sections I.A, I.B and I.C.

E. Sexual Activity under False Pretenses:

Same subcategories of Sections I.A, I.B, I.C and I.D

II. Implications, Subtext and Symbolism

A. Implied/Subtextual Sexual Assault of an Adult Victim:

(For example Dinah Lance's torture in Longbow Hunters is commonly believed to have contained rape. Quotes have been attributed to creators to indicate that this was not the case, however the particular scene could be read with that interpretation)

The subcategories will be:

-Taunts and Threats with Sexual Overtones
-Physical Assault/Abduction/Torture/Murder with Sexual Overtones


B. Implied/Subtextual Sexual Assault of a Minor:

(For example: Starfire's backstory of slavery contains the implication of sexual abuse, however it has never, to our knowledge, been confirmed or denied)

This will have the same subcategories as II.A.

C. Symbolic Rape/Violation that are not sexual in nature.

Subcategories will include:

-Mind-Control, which robs the victim of self-autonomy and will
-Forced Transformation, which robs the victim of control of physical state.

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We anticipate that this project will take *awhile*, so any help you can give us with regards to contributions would be more than appreciated.

33 Comments:

  • At June 06, 2006 9:17 AM, Blogger joncormier said…

    I only know this from another blog - Dorian's I think, check his archives. But wasn't Electro raped in prison?

     
  • At June 06, 2006 10:09 AM, Anonymous Flidget Jerome said…

    The only male I can remember whom Dorian left off his list is Mikaal Tomas/Starman III, who was kept as a drugged sex slave by a rich woman before becoming spiritual food for the demon Bliss. As a result of both traumas it took several years after Jack Knight freed him for him to regain his memories and original personality. (I'm pretty sure this is covered in the 'Stars My Destination' Starman TPB, but I don't know what the original issue was.)

     
  • At June 06, 2006 10:47 AM, Anonymous Derry said…

    Ollie Queen had sexual intercourse with Shado while delirious and hallucinating, therefore unable to give consent.

    This was not treated as rape at the time and there's been no indication that Ollie considers it such, if he even knows about it.

    I'm afraid I don't have a specific issue but I suspect it was somewhere in the #20s or #30s of Green Arrow v2 - definitely prior to #75.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 10:59 AM, Anonymous Derry said…

    Roy Harper: IIA

    In Outsiders v3 #17 or #18, Roy refers to his time 'on the streets'. In context, it is unclear whether he is saying that, while a drug addict, he worked as a hooker.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 11:18 AM, Anonymous s.wolf said…

    Grant Emerson: I.C, in the past 2.0

    The Titans, issues 17-19, Grant reveals that he was physically & sexually abused by the man he was raised to believe was his father.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 12:29 PM, Blogger Batiduende said…

    Ok, here are the ones I know.

    -- A --
    Swamp Thing (in the present and on panel)
    Starman (Jack, in the present, off panel)
    Lobo (in the present, off panel)
    Nightwing (in the present, on panel)

    -- D --
    Spider-Man (flashback inserted).
    John Constantine (flashback inserted, on panel).

     
  • At June 06, 2006 3:00 PM, Blogger The Fortress Keeper said…

    Green Lantern Corps #213 had Star Sapphire and Hector Hammond place Hal and Arisa under their mental control.

    If I remember correctly, there was one scene where Hammond rode Hal like a horse.

    Disturbed me 20 years ago, disturbs me now...

     
  • At June 06, 2006 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    In "Church and State II" Cerebus the Aardvark raped Astoria while she was shackled in prison.

    I don't recall which actual issue this would've been in. Church and State II was one of the phonebook sized anthologies Dave Sim released.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 3:46 PM, Blogger jamawalk said…

    Bwahahahah! You said "Handling the guys."

    tee-hee.

    sorry.

    Judd Winick fucked the fans of Green Lantern, does that count?

     
  • At June 06, 2006 4:12 PM, Blogger Zaratustra said…

    Does Vertigo count?

    If so: Bigby Wolf & Snow White, while both were mesmerized by... I could swear it was Goldilocks. I'll have to reread. Bigby purposefully hid the fact from Snow until she got a pregnancy check.

    Starfox has seduced much every woman ever (including She-Hulk) with his amazing roofie powers.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 4:13 PM, Blogger Matthew E said…

    I posted on 'Written World' that I'd try to cover as much of the Legion as I could for your lists. There are quite a few holes in my post-Zero-Hour-era collection, but I should be able to cover the pre-Zero-Hour and threeboot eras without much signal loss.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 4:27 PM, Blogger Batiduende said…

    > there was one scene where
    > Hammond rode Hal like a horse.

    When you say "rode like a horse" do you mean he climbed on his back and forced him to give him a piggy back ride around the room while he yelled HIYOOOOO SILVER, or something far more sinister?

     
  • At June 06, 2006 5:14 PM, Blogger The Fortress Keeper said…

    The Hi-Hooo Silver variety, but to be honest with you that was sinister enough.

    It also seemed very humiliating, which I suppose was the point. Let's make Hector look more evil by degrading the hero...

     
  • At June 06, 2006 6:01 PM, Anonymous Gunbunny said…

    Starman (Jack Knight) got raped by Mist while he was drugged and knocked out. He only becomes aware of it properly a bit later, though we're clued in in the issue.

    Brainiac (the one in L.E.G.I.O.N., either son or grandson of the original) got raped and killed by his wife. (later resurrected)

    Both of these resulted in pregnancy - the Mist did it on purpose so she could raise his kid to destroy him.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 6:20 PM, Anonymous Gunbunny said…

    Not sure if Superboy counted as underage back in his first year or so of life, but we know Knockout did *something* with him. very early issues of Superboy series, off-panel, present.

    most of the X-Men have been mind-controlled or mind-raped at one time or another.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 7:49 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Wow, you guys have been fantastic so far! I really appreciate it. Already I've got a good start to the list!

    As for the horse thing, I remember that. That'll go either under symbolic or maybe I'll make a new category for that sort of innuendo. There's something similar in Warrior, if a little more overtly sexual (maybe it's a Green Lantern thing) so I'll do some thinking about how to organize it.

    Anyway, thanks so far guys, feel free to send more as you find/remember them!

     
  • At June 06, 2006 9:08 PM, Anonymous Ununnilium said…

    Oh, god, someone mentioned the Spider-Man thing. @.@

     
  • At June 06, 2006 9:18 PM, Blogger Zaratustra said…

    I'll list attempted as well as actual sexual assaults in my library. You sort it out.

    Bluebeard used a magic potion's vapors to catch Bigby and Snow White. Fables #14.

    Lucifer - Jill Presto is fertilized by a gestalt of divine creatures. Don't ask. Lucifer #25.

    Scoria tries to force himself on Mazikeen. Mazikeen orders his own robots to maul him. Lucifer #32.

    The Invisibles has an odd scene: Ragged Robin is controlled by the extradimensional Mr. Quimper and convinces her boyfriend to engage in some dominance sex. Quimper calls up memories of her being abused by her father - but the memories were false, and Robin turns the psychic tables on him. (Invisibles v1 4, 14, 19, 20)

    American Virgin - Adam Chamberlain's girlfriend is raped and killed. Issues #1 and #3.

    Preacher - Tulip O'Hare is enslaved by Cassidy via drugs for a few issues.

    Sandman - John Dee's festival of atrocities spares neither man nor woman. Issue #6.

    I think I need a shower now.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 10:51 PM, Blogger notintheface said…

    Under "Off Panel-Adult":

    The big guy himself, Superman.

    During Byrne's run, Supes and Big Barda were captured by an alien villain named Sleez and mind-controlled into becoming Sleez' personal porn stars. On-panel, they were just making out, but the dialogue indicated they had engaged in some Tommy Lee and Pamela action against their wills.
    Ragnell can list Barda as well.

    In HULK: FUTURE IMPERFECT, the Maestro ordered his handmaidens to "pleasure" a temporarily-quadriplegic Hulk against his will.

    And in WEST COAST AVENGERS, a Scarlet Witch turned evil did the same thing magically to an immobilized Wonder Man.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 11:16 PM, Anonymous Scott said…

    I don't think Yorick's recent bondage adventures in Y: The Last Man were entirely consensual, so I would chalk that up as some sort of assault.

    I would add another category (though it may fit under II.C. "False Pretenses." For example, in the Legion of Super-Heroes (1984 series), Gim Allon (Colossal Boy) consummated his relationship with Salu Digby (Shrinking Violet), unaware that it wasn really Yera, a shape-changing Durlan. Similalry, Johnny Storm married Alicia Masters unaware that it was really the Skrull Lyja.

     
  • At June 06, 2006 11:23 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Hmm, that's definitely *some* kind of sexual violation we haven't considered. Thanks!

     
  • At June 07, 2006 1:10 AM, Blogger The Dane said…

    Ditto on the Hulk, which I mentioned here. That would fit under 1.A. In the Present: Storyline/Plot-Related.

     
  • At June 07, 2006 1:12 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Ooo, nice one. Can you give me an issue number? Or approximate time period/storyarc name?

    Anything like that would help. There's a lot of Hulk issues to go through otherwise. :-)

    That goes for others too. Anything you can tell me to help me track it down would be definitely appreciated.

     
  • At June 07, 2006 1:56 AM, Blogger notintheface said…

    Hulk: Future Imperfect was a 2-part miniseries done on the "Prestige Format" paper, and not a storyline in the main Hulk book. It was written by Peter David with art by George Perez. It came out sometime in the early-mid 90's. Issue 1's cover has the green Hulk we know and love, while issue 2's features The Maestro, who looks like our Hulk except darker-skinned, older, gray, and balding (but looks really badass). He actually is an older future version of our Hulk.

     
  • At June 07, 2006 1:57 AM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Ooo, thanks, that's a big help!

     
  • At June 07, 2006 7:30 AM, Anonymous Flidget Jerome said…

    Just to add one more to the Starman list (man, that is not a lucky name to hold) a space pirate named Jango tried to rape Jack Knight while they were in prison together. Jack objected to this, a prison brawl started and somewhere in the middle Mikaal Tomas rescued him and cut off Jango's hand. Also in the 'Stars My Destination' TPB.

     
  • At June 07, 2006 11:20 AM, Blogger Batiduende said…

    > Anything you can tell me to help
    > me track it down would be
    > definitely appreciated.

    Swamp Thing - In the sixth TPB of Alan Moore's run, while he is traveling through space.

    Starman - I the first trade of the Robinson run.

    Lobo - In the Lobo / Hitman one shot from Garth Ennis.

    Nightwing - Beats me. Somewhere in the Devin Grayson run.

    Spider-Man - In a special issue of Spider-Man and Power Pack about child abuse. Read about it here.

    John Constantine - In an annual during Garth Ennis' run. I think the annual is included in the Tainted Love trade.

     
  • At June 07, 2006 8:51 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Thanks, guys!

    I've seen the Spiderman one before, it's rather...special isn't it.

    I have to admit the Superman/Barda one surprises me.

    And Starmen are cursed aren't they?

    This is starting to shape up interestingly guys, thanks!

     
  • At June 07, 2006 9:06 PM, Blogger Jeff R. said…

    Nightwing/Mirage at least partially goes into the 'false pretenses'/Rape By Fraud category...

     
  • At June 11, 2006 12:24 PM, Anonymous Phil said…

    Tom Strong is twice in separate incidents drugged and used to impregnate a woman against his will, whether by literal rape or medical insemination isn't clear. Once by Ingrid Weiss (revealed in #7 though incident takes place between scenes in #4) and once by an alien lifeform in #23.

    In League of Extraordinary Gentlemen V.2 #5, Griffin is raped and murdered by Mr. Hyde, in revenge for his sexualised but not overtly sexual beating if Mina in #3.

     
  • At June 11, 2006 12:44 PM, Blogger Filthy McMonkey said…

    I have one small thing to say, and, to be sure, you may feel free to ignore it but...

    There is a lot of mention of Vertigo happenings on this list. Not to condone it, but the Vertigo line is a mature readers line. The acts in question are bound to happen in adult suspence/horror/fantasy. I'm wondering if they need to be counted at all, given that the ire has been raised over these same acts happening within the confines of our beloved "super-hero" stories. That is...you have to draw the fictional line somewhere. If you look at all forms, it's just too much. Should you perhaps be sticking to "straight" superhero stories? As in, within the confines of the mainstream Marvel and DC universes?

    As I said feel free to ignore this.

     
  • At June 11, 2006 3:09 PM, Blogger kalinara said…

    Vertigo's a tricky situation as it's still considered, AFAIK part of DC. Animal Man, Constantine, Swamp Thing are all definitely a part of the main DCU and show up. Thus they're going to count for the list.

    But that is a good point.

     
  • At June 13, 2006 12:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sexually molested spidey happened in Spiderman and Power Pack, a one-shot special set up to educate kids about sexual abuse.

    Polite dissent has a report on it at http://politedissent.com/archives/982

     

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