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Monday, November 20, 2006

Fantasy Crossovers/Teamups?

Seeing Big Barda in Birds of Prey, teaming up with possibly my other two favorite heroines in the DCU, got me thinking about all the crossover/teamup stories that I'd really like to see.

For example, I'd always wanted to see what would happen with a team-up between Nightwing and Sand.

In the Golden Age, both characters played strikingly similar roles. Non-powered sidekicks of non-powered heroes, optimistically named cheerful compatriots to dour detective types (in admittedly goofy costumes)... Sure Sandy tended to be a bit more cerebral, and Robin more physical, but their roles had a lot of striking similarity.

Of course, sixty some odd years later, the characters are taken into vastly different directions. Robin was never a compatriot of Sandy, instead being born and growing up decades later. Sandy in the meantime fell by the wayside, only to be revived and revamped into a sandmonster.

But what I find particularly interesting is that at this point in time, both characters are once again the same age (thanks to many reboots and nifty anesthetic chambers) and in oddly similar circumstances as sidekicks trying past their mentors' legacies.

I just think seeing a team-up would be really really neat!

I'd also really like to see a Kara Zor-El, Jason Todd meeting, if not a team-up, if only because as the black sheep (of sorts) in their respective "families", I think there'd be some interesting interaction.

And I'd always wondered what would have happened if Hawkwoman and Hawkgirl had actual time to interact with each other.

And I *still* want to see what happens when Phyla Vell meets her little (big?) brother!

What about you guys? What crossovers/team-ups would you really like to see?

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  • At November 20, 2006 10:36 AM, Blogger SallyP said…

    I want to see Hal Jordan and Mace Gardner. Oh the mayhem.

  • At November 20, 2006 10:58 AM, Blogger Matthew E said…

    I've had this idea for a while. You know what could make a really good DC/Marvel crossover?

    Obsidian and Northstar.

    Yes, I know: gimmicky. Well, of course it's gimmicky, but that's how you sell it.

    On the one hand, the two of them have a lot in common. They're both superheroes from supergroups that were big in the '80s but not so much since then. They're both the highest-profile gay superheroes at their respective companies. They both had/have (?) sisters that they were extremely close to. I think they've both been evil. And, most importantly, they both have kind of spiky personalities that makes them hard to get along with at times.

    On the other hand (and this is what would make the crossover work), the two of them would hate each other. It's hard to imagine that the two of them weren't designed specifically to get on each others' nerves. One's rich, one's poor. One's Canadian, one's American. One's francophone, one's anglophone. One has light-based powers, one has darkness-based powers.

    I don't even know what the story would be that brings them both in. Maybe there's some kind of menace threatening the gay community of a big city that, for whatever reason, has to be handled in a hush-hush way. So someone with connections calls in the two of them, and it turns out there's really some cosmic thing behind it. Whatever. The main thing is that I think they'd be perfect foils for each other and I'd like to see how that plays out.

  • At November 20, 2006 11:21 AM, Anonymous david brothers said…

    I thought Phyla's only brother was Genis?

  • At November 20, 2006 11:49 AM, Blogger Zaratustra said…

    70's Iron Man and Dazzler unite in a common love of roller skates.

    Also: New Blue Beetle, New Firestorm, New Atom and uhhh a girl to complete the team.

  • At November 20, 2006 12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ... new Judomaster, I think, is the one you're looking for.

  • At November 20, 2006 12:18 PM, Anonymous Loren said…

    If I want to kick it old school, I'd love to see an All-New Atom/Hawkgirl teamup as a homage to the Atom/Hawkman team ups of yesteryear.

    I'd also love to see a Black Lightning/Firestorm team up where Black Lightning, a veteran, takes Firestorm under his wing and teaches him what it was like to be the first black superhero (at least in the DC Universe).

  • At November 20, 2006 1:48 PM, Anonymous Jack Potts said…

    Because I think it works thematically, Titans and The New Gods.

  • At November 20, 2006 1:59 PM, Anonymous papervolcano said…

    I'd love to see a founding Titans/Current Titans (ish)crossover. Bar Garth, who's off in watery limbo, all of the original Titans now have legacies of their own - someone else that's taken up the mantle. The reason I read DC over Marvel is the concept of legacies, and I'd kill to see someone play with the sidekick legacy dynamic.

    It's pretty well documented how Dick, Roy, Donna and Wally interact, and you could say the same for Tim, Mia, Cassie and Bart. But not how the two generations interact. Dick and Tim get on well, but Wally and Bart were pretty antagonistic, if I remember correctly. Mia and Roy have barely interacted, and post-resurrection, neither have Cassie and Donna. I'd love to see someone explore the sibling bonds between them all, how the originals dealt with the feeling of being replaced, and the new kids with having to prove themselves. And as all of the founding Titans bar Dick have kids, I'd like my fantasy teamup to look to the future, and whether or not their children take up the mantles too.

    Why they'd team up, I don't know. An old Titans threat would make a good backdrop. I just want to make them play together.

  • At November 20, 2006 3:31 PM, Anonymous Greg Gray said…

    The new Atom and the new Blue Beetle .. in about a years time.

  • At November 20, 2006 3:39 PM, Blogger Filby said…

    I would love to see a JSA/Outsiders crossover. They niches the two teams fill are like polar opposites: the former a very tradition-oriented, pro-establishment, old-guard team; the latter more anti-establishment, do-things-our-own-way group of young people.

    In particular, I'd like to see Alan Scott interact with Grace Choi, since the two of them seem to me the most representative of their teams. Also, IIRC, Grace had a sort of antagonistic relationship with Jade, and I'd like to see how that would work into her relationship with Jade's father.

  • At November 20, 2006 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ted Kord and Jade.

  • At November 20, 2006 4:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Or, for a Supervillain Team-Up:

    Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown.

  • At November 20, 2006 4:22 PM, Anonymous Dan Coyle said…

    You know what crossover I'd like to see? Avengers Vs. The Elite.

    The trouble with a JLA Vs. Authority story is that the teams are too evenly matched. The trouble with Avengers Vs. The Authority is that it would be two pages long.

    But Avengers/Elite? Now that sounds interesting. Manchester Black Vs. Captain America? That I'd like to see. Because both teams have men and women who have very human foibles.

  • At November 20, 2006 4:24 PM, Anonymous Matthew said…

    "Or, for a Supervillain Team-Up:

    Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown"

    Dah? Stephanie is a villain?

    Hmm...meetings meetings. I've had a weird idea knocking around in my head about a gruoup of Superheroes who have split personalities, or two minds in one body, coming together as superhero team and support group. The person bringing it together would be Kay Challis, alias Crazy Jane.

  • At November 20, 2006 4:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dah? Stephanie is a villain?

    No. But she should be when she comes back from the dead. Superboy Prime just needs to that wall that's a little bit over to the left of Jason's.

  • At November 20, 2006 5:57 PM, Anonymous "Starman" Matt Morrison said…

    I sorta wrote this into a fan-fic back when one was a still a hero pretending to be a villain and the other one was being handled by a competent writer, but I can still see this working.

    Nightwing vs. The Trickster (James Jesse)

    Why? Well, here's as good a list of reasons as any.

    - Both come from a circus acrobat background.
    - Both are slightly "gray" (Dick has done questionable things with the Outsiders and while pretending to be a mobster; James is a criminal who is mostly in it for the challenge and becuase he likes making Heroes look stupid)
    - With Bludhaven blown up and most of his Rogues Gallery from the Dixon days dead or in limbo, Dick could use a new villain to face off against.

  • At November 20, 2006 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Jason Todd and Dead Man. Please Jason, be dead again.

  • At November 20, 2006 8:19 PM, Blogger Neil said…

    I've longed for some crossovers involving Marvel's Captain Marvel for a while:

    Captain Marvel/Captain Marvel because, well, of the name.

    Captain Marvel/Captain Marvel, Jr., because I want to see what happens when they meet. I can see CMJ saying "You're Captain Marvel too" and being changed back to Freddy Freeman. Peter David would have made this crossover amazing.

    Captain Marvel/Firestorm (preferably the Ronnie/Stein version). When you get down to it, both heroes had someone backseat driving at some point and it would make for an interesting circumstance.

  • At November 20, 2006 8:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Teddy from YA is the son of Mar-Vell and a skrull.

    Ergo he's Phyla's half brother.

  • At November 20, 2006 9:01 PM, Blogger CalvinPitt said…

    Deadpool and Animal Man. Sure they'd probably be in conflict rather than teaming up, but the level of 4th wall shattering would be tremendous.

    But it has to be written by a Deadpool writer, if they give it to Morrison because of his history with Buddy, I won't understand anything.

  • At November 20, 2006 9:32 PM, Anonymous Dan Coyle said…

    Calvin: All that needs is a panel of Deadpool looking out at the audience and saying to Buddy, "YOU... YOU CAN SEE THEM!!!"

  • At November 20, 2006 10:46 PM, Anonymous chuck said…

    How about She-Hulk and Manhunter? Both are lawyers in their day jobs, both pursue lawbreakers/villains in their other identities...but have different ideas about 'punishment'. I think this difference, given their profession, would make for an interesting story...

  • At November 21, 2006 5:41 AM, Blogger LurkerWithout said…

    Grimjack & Jack o' the Tales. And maybe Jack Staff. And Cap'n Jack Sparrow. In space. With lasers and jet packs...

  • At November 21, 2006 8:46 AM, Anonymous David Horenstein said…

    Loren, Black Lightning wasn't the first Black superhero in the DCU, Amazing Man was.

    I'd like to see Superman/Thor, just so Marvel fans can go on another one year rampage when Superman kicks Thor's ass again.

    I'd love to see Powergirl team up with anyone in the Marvel U. Imagine Namor making a snide remark to her. Or Iron-Man trying to force her to register. But, considering her power level, if she stays in the Marvel U too long she'll go psycho and try and remake the universe.

    I'd like Fairchild to team up with Wonder Woman. Maybe Diana can have her stay in the DCU and find her an outfit that doesn't always tear to shreds.

    I'd like Nightwing to team up with himself as Robin, so he could see how wonderful he used to be.

    Oh okay, I'll give a real one...

    Invaders/All Star Sqaudron - written by James Robinson, drawn by George Perez, inked by Jerry Ordway

  • At November 21, 2006 8:56 AM, Anonymous green with wheelpower said…

    Matt: "All and none of the colors of the rainbow" or Rainbow Warriors? :)

    DareDevil/Manhunter for the same reason as Manhuter/She-Hulk

    John Henry Irons/Tony Stark Because I can just picture those two w/ their heads together over blueprints and I love Steel


    Bruce Wayne/Johnny Storm Just to see how much Bats can take MUHAHAHAHA!

    Lois Lane/Oracle Mabye the former gets brought in after the other 'Birds were caught saving her when an investigation turned. Have they done this Kal

    Lady Shiva/Matt Murdock because she has on occasiion ridiculed the disabled and I'd like to see her reaction. Whats she like w/babs anyway?

  • At November 21, 2006 11:49 AM, Anonymous Loren said…

    Loren, Black Lightning wasn't the first Black superhero in the DCU, Amazing Man was.

    Ah, so right...if we go in continuity. I always forget about Amazing Man, which is a travesty. Thanks for pointing that out.


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